Stubbo 10:29 Tue Dec 17
Ancellotti
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Tells you everything you need to know about our owners.
Everton about to unveil Ancellotti, while we dither and delay, and pat ourselves on the back (at Boardroom level) that we can always bring back the Moyesiah on a long term deal.
Ancellotti - third most decorated manager in Europe after Guardiola and Mourinho
Moyes - managerial nobody.
Everton and ourselves are at pretty similar stages and statures in the game...both underachieving in the hunt to put pressure on the established top 5 or 6 clubs. Their decisiveness and ambition managerially demonstrates exactly why our owners have taken us as far as they can, and they're beating us to the punch.
Pellegrini was a bold appointment that looks like it probably won't work out, but they should be credited for taking that path. But as soon as things start to look dicey, rather than stay the course and stay ambitious, all the evidence is they'll about turn and either limp along with a busted flush, or regress to previous uninspiring ways.
West Ham may have problems on the pitch and in the first team squad, but the major source of issues still resides at the top of the club. Will be interesting to see how Ancellotti gets on at Everton - I suspect he'll do very well!
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diehardhammer
10:30 Tue Dec 17
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Bayern and Napoli players both complained his training sessions were too soft
west ham need someone firm in charge not a soft touch. Moyes wouldnt be my long term ideal manager but he would drill the players harder and play 3-5-2 which suits the squad better
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Stubbo
10:36 Tue Dec 17
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...and yet Napoli finished second to Juve last year, and Bayern won the league with him as manager.
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Block
10:37 Tue Dec 17
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The fact some of our fans would take Moyes says all you need to know.
Absolute joke that people would take him back.
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diehardhammer
10:40 Tue Dec 17
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Moyes wasnt that bad for west ham, saved the club from a certain relegation from the messiah bilic and got his team playing much better
Like i said, he's still not the long term choice.
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Stubbo
10:40 Tue Dec 17
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Firm managers never last long term. We as fans like the idea of them being given a kick up the back side, but the classic 'get a Sargent Major' type rarely ever prevails.
More important it a high calibre manager who is tactically astute, and has proven the ability to get their squads to gel as a side and make the sum greater than the individual parts (which is why Harry was always so successful...the team gel bit, not the tactically astute bit).
I agree squads need discipline and structure, but it's not about barking orders and making them run endless laps. Moyes time in charge actually showed that as if I recall correctly, our distance and sprints over his tenure didn't increase over the performances Bilic presided over (and we continued to get thumped).
Moyes is basically now a managerial irrelevance at the top level of the game. Going anywhere near him is tantamount to the club giving up any ambition at all.
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diehardhammer
10:43 Tue Dec 17
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Ancelotti does have a good record there's no denying that but he hasnt dealt with a relegation battle or managed a lower club that isnt full of champions league stars
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11MDE
10:43 Tue Dec 17
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West Ham United, slow on the pitch, slow off it.
Board Out!!
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goose
11:00 Tue Dec 17
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tells you nothing about the owners............ but maybe they could spell his name correctly?
he would absolutely be the wrong man for west ham.
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Mike the Hammer
11:02 Tue Dec 17
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Ancellotti hasn't lasted more than 2 seasons in his last 5 jobs.
He is 60 years old. His only silverware since 2014/5 is 1 German title and 2 German Charity Shields.
Do you want a trophy? It's unlikely to happen under him, unless you have comparable funds to the teams he's managed previously.
Will he be a success? Who knows. Or for some people WHO knows.
Opportunity to start another thread to have a dig at the board? Absolutely. (Not saying they don't deserve it, but really?)
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Stubbo
12:26 Tue Dec 17
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I actually agree Ancellotti wouldn't likely be right for us - the thread is more about the contrast in ambition being shown and the decisiveness of the two club's boards.
The pattern taking place in football is for younger managers more in tune with the latest developments in the game and more relatable to the players under their charge.
These big beast older managers are a dying breed at the top end of football, and are going extinct as their ability to reinvent themselves in an era with so much player power and continuing evolution of the way in which football is played proving inconsistent at best.
And I stand by the fact that Moyes is now a managerial footballing irrelevance.
The future is young, energetic coaches with a keen eye for tactical flexibility, a football philosophy to apply, and the ability to analyse and review opposition strengths and weaknesses (and define plans for these) in consort with the myriad of data analysts available to them.
There is a new wave and the likes of Benitez, Ancellotti, Pellegrini etc are clinging on by virtue of their time at the top and having been the best of their generations.
Moyes, Allardyce, Pulis etc have died out (for a team that shows any ambition at all).
West Ham need to find someone in the place Pochettino was when he left Southampton...not resort to some old relic has been who is close to drawing his last breath!
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goose
12:30 Tue Dec 17
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maybe Maresca is exactly that type of coach? maybe not.
Arteta?
the fella Jose just employed at Spurs?
i doubt Sullivan has a fucking clue what makes a good coach.
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Block
12:30 Tue Dec 17
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Mike, our aim at present is to get to safety. We're not in a position to demand a trophy winning manager, who are few and far between.
There's a stark difference between some of our fans, who are happy with the likes of Moyes and those who think we deserve someone like Potch.
Personally Howe is our best bet. Progressive manager who likes to play decent football and done a fantastic job with limited resources.
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dealcanvey
12:31 Tue Dec 17
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Ancellotti is not the awnser.
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Russ of the BML
12:39 Tue Dec 17
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dealcanvey 12:31 Tue Dec 17
I agree. But I do feel it would have given us a bounce that we needed to guarantee safety. Although beyond that I question the long term of having Ancellotti.
I hope it all falls flat on its face for Everton. Nothing personal. I just hate seeing other clubs do well.
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Willtell
12:47 Tue Dec 17
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I agree with that too about Ancelotti. I think we need a manager on the way up.
Although there is a lot of comfort for our board in appointing an experienced high achiever, our owners only get that chance when managers are on the way down.
Unfortunately, our owners are not football visionaries that could spot a manager on the way up...
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Block
12:49 Tue Dec 17
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The Glover brothers at Huddersfield would be a decent appointment as well.
Both WHU fans, and have done excellent jobs at Lincoln(i think) then Huddersfield.
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twoleftfeet
12:50 Tue Dec 17
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Ancelotti = Italian Pellegrini
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Stubbo
12:54 Tue Dec 17
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I agree. Howe is an obvious fit. Dyche on mere performance is but his style of football is antithema to our supporterbase.
By the end of Pellegrini's contract if he clings on that long, Potter may be too (interesting how Brighton saw the writing on the wall with Hughton).
Looking further affield Marco Rose at Gladbach is also having a stellar season.
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